Is it cool to be a programmer abroad?

I have been in the group recently （ Click Add group ） I saw a little friend complaining , The pressure of domestic competition is great , Want to go to a foreign company , Even try abroad , Ask for my advice .

But I haven't been abroad , No voice , But there must be pros and cons , At least it's far from my family abroad , Not to mention the recent epidemic , More or less reassuring .

But some foreign enterprises can work remotely in China , This is very comfortable .

Just these two days I saw two rare foreign programmers Life sharing , Regardless of whether overseas work is fragrant or not , It's also good to know more , Two experiences to share with you .

Dutch programmers

author ： Know user XHA65i

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https://www.zhihu.com/question/38972340/answer/1549311028

brief introduction ： A Manon , Before in Ali , My family is from Beijing . Now? In Europe, - Netherlands work 2 More years , Skilled immigrants . Don't come to Europe if you want to make money , I don't like to go to America legally chi gun .

The following is the situation in the Netherlands :

Wages ： Ali's salary + Stocks are much higher than European wages , A while ago, several domestic companies found me , It's basically the current salary x2~3 Give me the money , Have to say , Domestic wages are really high . Europe's specific wages are highly relevant to the region . Generally not lower than rmb50 ten thousand . The Netherlands has 5 Year of 30% Tax relief , The tax rate is generally about 30%,40%,50% Third gear . So many people will choose to work every week later 4 Tianna 80% The salary of . Mortgage , There will also be tax rebates for raising children , I quit this year 3000 DORO .

working hours ： This side is 25～40 Days of annual leave + 955. I just changed my job recently , The new job is 40 Days of annual leave , Is equivalent to 2 Months , It's more comfortable .

sick leave ： commonly 1-2 Please feel free to , No proof is required . A doctor's certificate is required within one year , The company regularly asks doctors to visit their homes , But the salary is paid in full within one year .

Old age problem ： Age discrimination may exist , But it's not obvious . My current company has some 50 many 60 Many programmers , After all, I only work one day 6 Hours （ Drink coffee + having dinner + Chat ）.

Language ： Generally, there are no hard indicators , But be able to communicate normally , After all, interviews are in English . Except Britain , English is not the mother tongue of other countries , So it's all for the purpose of communication . Although programmers' English requirements are generally not high , However, basic English level is still needed . Want to take Yongju / Naturalization , The local language must also be learned .

housing price ： In big cities As long as you are willing to commute more than 30 Minutes or more , You can usually buy rmb300～500 The minimum row of 10000 ,2～3 A house with a garden . My company is in A small village in , Walk 15 minute , house rmb300 ten thousand , Front and back yard +3 The floor is less than 200 Square meters . Loan interest rates in Europe have plunged in recent years ,**30 Annual loan interest rate 1.16%**, With us 5%+ It's almost free compared to ( I might as well put my money in yu'e Bao ?). And the loan is based on the annual salary x5 Calculation , So as long as the salary is high , Sure 0 A down payment .

vehicle ： Some companies offer buses , But you need to pay some royalties . Buy your own car and see the country , The Netherlands is almost the most expensive place to buy a car in Europe , Germany is cheaper . in addition , Oil prices in Europe are very expensive . The cheapest gas stations in the Netherlands are fast 13RMB/ l , Uncomfortable .

Provide for the aged ： If 30 Start working around here , About a month after retirement rmb10000～15000.

Daily expenses ： The average family 3～4 If people eat better every month, they eat in rmb3000～4000 about . energy + Water my house is usually a month rmb1000 about , Health care ( Force yourself to buy ) About every month, every adult rmb Less than 700. Unlimited mobile phone packages + of one's own unit 1000M Wired every month rmb Probably 300 about . automobile insurance + Road tax every month rmb Less than 1000. My home is bigger and costs more , Basically, it's about rmb 6-7 thousand , Namely 800 DORO . I know a lot of local families 4 The total monthly consumption of the population is only 5-6 Hundred euro , Very economical .

children ： I don't want children , Only some general knowledge , You're wrong. Don't blame me .18 It was free to see a doctor before .3 Months to 4 Go to kindergarten at the age of , Very expensive (1000+ Oh, every month ), But you can get a tax refund .4 To the age of 12 Go to primary school at the age of , free , Some outdoor activities need to pay some money , Generally, it is about tens of euros at a time .12 To 18, Middle school , free .18+ university , Generally, the total tuition fee is less than 1W. master , General one year 1W+. Doctor , Dr. Europe has a monthly salary , Generally in 2-3000 Around Europe , And don't work for teachers . Post-doctoral , The general monthly salary is 4000 Around Europe .

The interview is difficult ： The only threshold for domestic technicians is English .coding test All are leetcode Of easy Level , Make that kind of . This side emphasizes scrum What? , So you can learn by yourself when you are free . It's usually 3-5 round , Some companies do not 1, Some companies do not 3.1 HR Talk about how well you match the team, or do personality questions directly .2 Basic technology +coding test, Look at your personal foundation .3 Homework after class , Leave you a big homework to solve by yourself, then send it to them and explain it online .4 The team boss interview , Talk about some projects or something .5 HR interview , Talk about wages .

shortcoming ：

1 The first generation of immigrants is hard , Most people can't integrate into local circles . After all, cultural differences and language are problems . The second generation may have integration problems due to the living habits of the first generation , But it's not a big problem .（ I don't want children anyway ）

2 Parents' Pension . This is definitely a problem that all immigrants can't escape . It is known that there are 2 Kind of solution , One is to pick up your parents , In Europe, for example, Greece buys a house and the whole family lives forever . But the problem is that it's hard for parents to have no friends and can't speak a language . The second is to take the identity to return home to take care of their parents , This requires you to have enough money to be out of work for a long time ( If parents need long-term care ).

3 Potential discrimination . The Netherlands is where I learned that discrimination is very small / Countries that are not obvious . And the locals I met were very friendly . however , The problem of discrimination always exists . When there was an epidemic just before （20 year 3 month ） When the little friend went to the supermarket to wear a mask, a local man pretended to cough behind his back “ Taunt ”. There is also the fact that children look much worse than local people after all , So there are potential problems . It's like when I was in middle school, a classmate from Lanzhou came to my class , We all asked him if he could make Ramen , Ridicule his family for making Ramen . You are different from everyone , There must be some impact . But at present, some local grown-up Chinese give me feedback that is OK .

4 It's hard to be an executive . As far as I know, Chinese people do very, very few executives of large local companies . But this is also changing , After all, the Chinese market is getting bigger and bigger , Some sales and strategies need relevant talents . No, Europe is not for money , Just figure out what you want .

5 To see a doctor . To see a doctor in Holland, you must first find a family doctor , But most minor diseases are carried . Because non emergency appointments take days , When you make an appointment, they will let you go home and have more rest . So this is linked with the sick leave above , Lie sick for a week .. If you want to go to the hospital, you have to get a note from the family doctor . I'm coming 2 I haven't seen a family doctor in person for more than years , During this period, I only had a fever 1 Less than... Times 39( I used to spend a year in China 2-3 A fever ), I called the family doctor , She just said you need more rest . in addition , The Netherlands can also have children in their own homes ( How exactly is unknown , I don't know anyone born at home yet ).

6 diet . We Chinese people have high requirements for food . Fruits and vegetables are generally scarce in Europe , Most have only seasonal fruits and vegetables . This depends on your acceptance level . In addition, pigs here are generally not castrated , So pork tastes better .

7 The weather . The Netherlands is the kind of country where it often rains for a week , But it's not like the tide in the South , Maybe it's due to the strong wind , It's a wet but damp state . I personally like that feeling . In summer 30 Come here , Yes 1-2 Thoughtful 35 Degrees or so . Winter in general 0 The lowest degree . Because the latitude of the Netherlands is also relatively high , In winter, it's usually morning 9-10 Light up , Afternoon 3-4 It's getting dark . Summer morning 4-5 Light up , evening 11 It's dark around o'clock . Need to adapt .

Singapore programmers

author ： anonymous

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https://www.zhihu.com/question/38972340/answer/1945886042

Singapore junk programmer one , I don't know if I'm doing well , But it's true .

Mainly from two aspects of work and life .

Self introduction. ： I'm a girl , This year, 29 year , Undergraduate biology , At the end of the class .24 I can't find a related job after graduating from college at the age of , After looking for a year and a half, I decided to turn to a programmer . I signed up for a training course and spent almost two months learning sql and java, I can barely understand the code . Go out and look for a job. It's surprisingly easy to find , From sea to sure offer It took a month and a half , It took half a month to apply for a work visa . The salary is not high, but lying flat , Those who want to make a lot of money don't come to Singapore . Let me elaborate on the specific situation ：

Wages ： My last job was back-end development , The starting salary 4500 New money （13 pay ）, At present, I have worked for three years , The salary increase is not high , About five percent a year . I can't compare with other big men who are prone to new $89, 000 , But such a salary is much better for other students majoring in biology who have not changed careers .

The intensity of work ： company 965 The system of , At first, he was a Chinese male boss , Always let me work overtime , If I ask for sick leave, give me a face , And always let me add more... Every week 20 Hour class （ No overtime pay ）. I found that volumes are really the characteristics of Chinese bosses , Wherever you go . Later, I was so tired that I applied to change the project team , This time it's the female boss in Singapore . Never ask for overtime , If the project has to work overtime , Add 2 Half a day off in about an hour .

How to find a job ： I'm shanglingying , Change your home page better , Upload an English resume and a photo of yourself , Then Haitou will do . There will be an interview in a week or two , Three or five interviews will have offer, Two or three offer Then there will be something to your satisfaction .

The interview is difficult ： It's usually a written test + interview , The written test is very difficult , Training courses will teach . The interview is supposed to be in English , But my English is very poor , The interviewer smiled and interviewed in Chinese . The follow-up daily work is also in Chinese , So I think there's no problem working in Singapore after CET-4 .

During the holiday ： Singapore public holiday 11 God （ There is no such saying as compensatory leave ）, Company annual leave 20 God , Basically, I have to urge you to finish , There will be no one who won't let you take leave . sick leave 14 God , Just say it once a day , You need a slip for more than two days （ The clinic can open ）. Hospital leave 60 God , I haven't invited, so I don't know the details .

Gender and age issues in the workplace ： I didn't ask about marriage and childbirth during the interview , And it's not allowed to ask . When I started 26 year , Get the same salary as male colleagues of the same age . The female boss told me to tell her if there was a birth plan , She arranged the project without delaying me . She herself had three children in this company , Now pregnant again , It didn't delay her promotion at all . As for age, it's ok , People of all ages in the company have , And fifty or sixty programmers and project managers , So I think it's acceptable .

Food and clothing live line ： Ordinary clothes are very cheap , A piece is about twenty or thirty new dollars . An ordinary meal costs four or five Singapore dollars , If you go to the restaurant, it will be 40 per capita , There are some domestic food here （ It's more expensive than domestic ）. Rent a room hundreds to a thousand a month , If you buy a house, on average 35-65 Ten thousand new coins , Inside the sleeve 90-110 flat , One can easily afford . The car is very expensive , But it doesn't matter. Public transport is very developed , You can go anywhere without a car . I like to buy luxury bags and big brand skin care products , There are often discounts here , It's much cheaper than home .

Medical care ： Singapore's medical care is very good , There are clinics everywhere . See a doctor once 50 Block or so , The company reimburses , Wash your teeth 、 get the right lenses for one's eyeglasses 、 TCM physiotherapy can also be reimbursed . Surgery can completely cover , Generally speaking, I don't often get seriously ill and don't spend much money .

Marriage and childbearing ： Marriage in Singapore is very biased towards girls , In case of divorce, the man has to pay the living expenses of his ex-wife until he remarries , This is not the same as the rich in Europe and the United States pay the poor . If there are children , Usually children will talk to their mother , After marriage, the real estate will also favor the mother . Boys can get a little red book from China if they mind , There is no such thing . If you have a child of Singapore nationality , Will give ten thousand new dollars in cash , Thousands will be saved into children's accounts for medical treatment and school . Kindergarten from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m , Four or five hundred dollars a month . Primary and junior high schools should be dozens of yuan a month , Two or three hundred in high school , Must be able to afford . These are what I heard , If not, please correct .

My personal feeling is that girls will be very happy after they get married in Singapore , But it's hard for unmarried people to find a husband in Singapore . The girls here are too voluminous , Malaysian girls are traditional and diligent ： They usually work hard to earn the same money as their husbands , I also listen to my husband , Including but not limited to having several babies or buying a house . They take it for granted to be filial to their parents in law , Don't get married with houses and betrothal gifts , They all work hard by themselves . Singapore local girls have money at home , Relatively not so obedient , But marriage only requires a good character of the man . Girls my age say , Looking for a boyfriend in Singapore, as long as you don't whore or gamble , Is a good boyfriend （ Gambling and whoring here are legal ）. So in this situation, no girl wants a room, a car and a bride price as in China , I'm going to live alone , It's enough to make money anyway , Don't get married with them .

Provide for the aged ： After taking the green card, there will be a person named cpf Things that are , Deduct 20% of the basic salary every month plus 17% of the additional deposit made by the company cpf, It can be used to buy a house or save for the elderly . If I work with the same income 30 year , Then I can get... Every month 2000 Multi Singapore dollar pension . But the disadvantage of Singapore is to 65 You can only get a pension at the age of , Given that life expectancy has reached 82 year , This seems acceptable .

Environmental Science ： Singapore is summer all year , Good air, good environment . Some people feel that they are not used to it without winter , I like it so much . I can wear beautiful skirts every day , And only need to buy summer clothes, especially saving money . There are several months of rainy season , Listen to the rain outside the window and sleep in at home on weekends , It's so pleasant . And Singapore is very safe , I've never lost anything in Singapore , In the past, I used to take my wallet for a seat at dinner . As a girl, I often try to run in the park at night , And meet a lot of girls running . I think there are street lights and surveillance cameras everywhere , The law is very strict , If a man sexually harasses, he will be sentenced to several months , I'm still very relieved .

My life state ： I'm lying flat , Every day is very relaxed , Buy whatever you want , You can save about half of your salary every month , The year-end bonus will reward yourself with a luxury bag . To 35 Or get married and buy a big house , Even the rent is saved , If it's not too much trouble, rent two more rooms , The rent can be deducted from the loan . There are colleagues who brush questions and change jobs to get a monthly salary 6000+, But I'm really lazy , It's better to lie down . Some have also considered taking Singapore as a springboard to the United States, Australia and Canada , But I feel different from race and culture , Maybe you can't fit in . Singapore is the country most like China , I think it's no different from when I was in China , It's only four or five hours to fly home , It is much more convenient than European and American countries , The epidemic has also been well controlled . I am very satisfied with my life now .

The last update ： I'm really lucky . Former colleagues changed jobs to large companies , The previous paragraph told me that their company is hiring on a large scale , I just threw it . Just got it yesterday offer, a monthly salary 6500, There are thirteen salaries and bonuses , So the annual salary is S $100000 . Over the past three years, I have saved more than 100000 Singapore dollars , I'm going to save money for another two years to buy a small apartment , Have another cat , Life is perfect .

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